Talking to June and Ken Spinks is one of the most fabulous perks of the job. Funny, knowledgeable and savvy, the pair put people generations younger to shame.Spinks feels much akin to Sphinx, as I have been trying to pin the lovely couple down for a while, for a conversation. “The elusive Spinks,” June quips with a smile. The couple married in 1956. Ken was always situated in the district, but June “is a blow in,” as Ken likes to say. Originating from Apollo Bay in Victoria, June moved to Balranald at the age of 13. “My sister gained employment at the pharmacy, and I often thought the pharmacy was a matrimonial bureau in disguise, because it was not long after many female employees began working there, that they went off to get married,” June said with a laugh. When June arrived in Balranald, it was quite common for students to have an after-school job. “Days of operation in the town in business days were slightly different. Shops had a Wednesday half holiday, with Saturday being a full shopping day. That allowed country people to come in and have a full day shopping, and go to the pictures Saturday night, which was one of the great social occasions. “Any balls and dances were held on a Friday night.” “And the shearers ball was held in September because Yanga, the big station had a lot of shearers there,” Ken added. “It was another way of incorporating them into the town. “They put the ball on at the end of the shearing and the proceeds went to the local hospital. “Common after school jobs for children were delivering groceries to customers,” June continued. “The shopkeeper would go around to clients and take their orders in the morning, and then take the order back to the store and pack it up. “Once the boys were finished school, they would get on the grocery bikes and take them to customers, a same day service,” she said with a laugh. And so, June was lucky enough to get an after-school job at the chemist. “Once she transitioned into secondary school, she travelled to Hay for her schooling. “I still worked over the Christmas period at the chemist, then travelled away to attend teachers’ college, then came back. “After that, when I got a teaching appointment at Balranald I decided not to work elsewhere. Chemist, Mr Purtin, came to see me before Christmas and asked if I would work over the Christmas period. Because he had been so good in the past to me, I had decided to help him out then. And that is when Ken came into the shop.” Ken worked on farms all of his life. His father had a soldier settlement block on the lower edge of the flood plain. At the age of six, the family came into town and rented a house, so that the children could attend school, in 1936. “I saw the last run of the steamboats on the Murrumbidgee, the last commercial boat,” Ken recalled. When he came home from school, Ken worked for his father. If there was nothing to do on his father’s farm, he was working for other farmers, and eventually learnt shearing, at the age of 17. “I wouldn’t exactly say I enjoyed shearing, but I had a profession, and that meant something. “Another man and I worked a two-stand shearing plant and carried it around. People would say to him, “Oh you got Spinksy with you,” and I would say, “Yes because I could lift the plant up on the old Bedford truck,” he said, and laughingly agreed he was the muscles of the operation. “It was a good learning curve.” After his father passed away, Ken took control of the property and developed it. “It was an 8000-acre property on the end of the flood plain, and was only considered to have a hundred to two hundred sheep capacity,” Ken said. Once the young couple were married, settled on the farm and had children, Ken ventured into cropping.Fighting erosion has always been close to Ken Spinks’ heart, and is the topic of his latest book. ‘Australia on the Move – soil erosion’ was launched on Australia Day. “It covers drought and soil erosion in South Australia, Queensland border, Victoria and New South Wales,” Ken told me at the time. “At the particular times that the book covers, erosion was prominent.” “My farming time is featured in the book because of the soil erosion. "There are some magnificent photos in there that you would not believe,” Ken says. “You would have never seen a black-out dust storm?” He queried, me replying with a chuckle that the time, around 1943, would have been some 40 years before my birth. “Some of the pictures came from Ken’s scrap books, as he was always cutting and pasting, accumulating quite a collection of things of interest. A lot to do with farming, which was naturally a keen interest,” June said. “Those particular storms, a storm within a storm and relatively low to the ground, with the sky above a serene summer sky,” Ken continued. “1943 was a bad time for them, and occasionally you could not see your hand in front of you. Like a mine with the lights out, completely black. “It was sand not dust. When I described them to people, they thought I was fabricating. Droughty conditions and extremely hot weather for a number of days, would create the perfect conditions. “The system travels in one direction and comes in on itself in an anticlockwise circulation. Chooks went to bed at 3pm. This is why that book had to be written, so it was on record.” “A significant factor in erosion was overstocking, rabbits and Dillon bushes. When the wind blows the sand off the bare ground into the bushes, the bushes grow up through it, therefore the more sand it accumulates the higher it gets,” June added. “Tonnes and tonnes disappeared and landed in New Zealand and Mt Cooke,” Ken continued. “We don’t see black-outs today. Soil erosion was not considered to be a big problem, until it began to be recognised in the 70s, and they solved the problem to a certain extent, but now they are using methods that have been used in other countries since the 40s to solve erosion. “VIC and SA followed suit after NSW decades later, but there was no coordination between states. “Some states did their separate research, meaning that valid research was essentially done, where there was no need if the states had joined forces on the issue.” Ken is the author, June the much-valued editor. They make a dynamic team. June forayed into the world of computers to keep in touch with family, who are all scattered around. She enthusiastically enjoys email, because you can get an answer straight away, and send and receive pictures. June and Ken are very proud of their town and facilities, including the gallery. They have one of Prowsie’s artworks on the wall, an artist from Mildura who has recently enjoyed an exhibition at Balranald Art Gallery. June in particular has a great admiration for his work, and how he breathes life into the animal’s eyes. The integrity and dedication to recording the facts that they have is truly admirable. “Better to record a story accurately, than to fluff it up for other reasons. Ronald Ryan attempted to rob the bank in Balranald but he did not rob the bank. “The local paper at the time was trying to say that he did, but we were living in Balranald town at the time, and knew that it was not true.” June and Ken have three children Beverley, the eldest, lives in in Italy. Married and retired, Beverley went there, learnt the language, and worked in a commercial bank as secretary. She then moved over to working at Rentokil, in the products department. She loves photography and travelling. They did not have children, and still enjoy a happy, busy lifestyle. “It is a common mistake as people get older, they stop being busy,” June said. “They often have no purpose, or solely placing their purpose in their children or work, and then when that stops, they don’t have a purpose.” One of their sons lives in Victoria. He worked for 24 years at the Immigration Museum in Melbourne. “He was a lighting technician, and when the main museum exhibited ‘A Day in the Life of Pompei’, he was instrumental in setting up the exhibit, packing it up to ship to New Zealand, and then returning to bring it back to Australia when the NZ exhibit finished. "He set up many exhibitions, and is retired now.” Their other son resides in Wagga, and owns an olive grove. He and his wife run this, and a factory. They did the marketing, developed the whole business and enjoy having busloads of people for tours and functions. Ken and June’s dedication to their work, and the mantle they have taken up as historical recorders is something that deserves admiration. Ken says there is quite a bit around Balranald that needs reporting, so he will make a third edition. “The problem with writing is that you don’t make any money, in fact it costs money, the second edition lays around too long, and the mice eat it. We are reluctant to commit to a third edition but it needs to be done,” Ken said. When asked his opinion on windfarms, he is enthusiastic. “They could not be better. I am all for natural generation of electricity. People in Victoria who complain about the noise and sight are normally down in the valley that can’t have them, and the ones up the top are making nice money. “The noise does not hurt anyone. "People listen to TV, they get in their car, turn up the music and yet are complaining about wind farm noise. Makes you wonder. “We have to have natural electricity because of the situation happening with the use of coal, I am not a complete green, but an environmentalist. “We have to learn to share the world with other creatures living in it, mankind has changed a lot of things, and not for the good,” June added. “Krakatoa (one of the deadliest and most destructive volcanic events in recorded history) created an atomic winter. The Northern Hemisphere had to recover, and it did. “Atomic bombs are something that nothing will recover from quickly. I was very critical of the fact that the Australian Prime Minister at the time, and other government officials encouraged them to set off bombs at Maralinga, especially with Balranald and Ivanhoe being in the complete easterly direction of the site. “They closed the school in Ivanhoe six times because of the dust coming over. “They let off six bombs, but also held 50 atomic experiments. “There would have been all that dust and radioactivity collected in people’s rainwater tanks, and they would have been drinking that water. “A lot of people tend not to investigate things for themselves, and they just believe anything a person in higher authority says,” June added. “They do not do the research for themselves, so people are confused, they need to check it out themselves.” Another issue close to June and Ken’s hearts is water. “The water in the Murrumbidgee is toxic in Balranald. “There are poisons in it, blue green algae, and toxicity. A filtration system cannot get poisons and chemicals out of water. “The only way to do that is to boil and distil it, and they haven’t got a distiller. “Instead, chemicals are being put into the water that are toxic to drink, and that is not helpful. People are buying huge amounts of plastic water bottles to drink, and it should not have to be that way. “But the water here has been toxic, killing fish, big cod dying in Wakool. “I have written letters to three politicians, and heard no reply. “My proposal was about putting rain water tanks in, with people buying bottled water over 12 months, that money would pay for a tank and pump but they do not see it like that. “Even a grant system, half the price to get one, benefits Council by not having to supply toxic filtered water. “With our climate, both droughts and flooding rains, waters and rivers get so used. “It makes sense for people to capture it and have it, rain is a renewable source of water. “Also, with filters that can go on tanks, and gutter guards, it makes sense. There needs to be more common sense coming in how to store and create water. “We are connected to filtered water, but do not pay, because we do not use it,” Ken added. “Our house uses rain water, and the garden raw water. “Another chemical they use in the water, fluoride, is a poison which harms June’s skin.” When the couple lived on the farm, their water supply came from the lake to the dam, and into the house. June remembers when toothpaste with fluoride first came out, it had an S6 poison label on it, which disappeared later. In her research, June discovered the Therapeutic Goods Administration, (TGA), the place that is supposed to make things safe, decided that toothpaste is cosmetic, and removed the label. However, the contents remain the same. “Back in the day, I believed what they said, and used the fluoridated toothpaste, and came out in mouth and gum ulcers. “I thought my diet was at fault, so I went to the dentist. I told him I am getting numerous mouth and gum ulcers, huge, and had never had them before. He noted that some other people he had treated were having the same issues, and recommended a different brand of toothpaste, which coincidentally was fluoridated. He, nor I, thought about fluoride at the time. “However, this other brand did not have fluoride, and this was over 50 years ago. I have never had another mouth ulcer since.”Ken and June have been actively campaigning on the negative impacts of fluoride in water. “My advice to anyone would be to try to find a toothpaste that has baking soda, not fluoride,” June said. “Baking soda is an alkaline, and it is acids in your mouth that create the decay. So, an alkaline will neutralise. Never let children have it, they swallow it. People need to think for themselves and learn the facts, look up the safety data sheet on things, and find out. “People have been told certain things by authorities, and think they are to be believed. And you get nowhere with politicians, Barnaby Joyce walked out on me. Egotistical.” “They don’t listen to people and they are supposed to listen, and do not check up on things and just have advisors to tell them things, and they blindly believe them,” Ken added. “Fluoridation is not a water treatment process,” June continued. “That is out of the Australian Water Guidelines Chapter 8. Chapter six states there is an absence of human testing, sensitivities are unknown, and interaction when mixed with other chemicals is unknown. All of those unknowns and they still went and put it in the water. Put in, ostensibly, to prevent tooth decay. That falls under the category of a medication. “Our constitution states that in regards to medical services and treatments, there is eleven words in brackets, ‘but not so as to authorise any level of civil conscription’. “In other words, the individual must give consent. “Nobody was asked, they just did this. Nobody was told it was a poison, that it is not a water treatment chemical, told nothing.” “We are getting our message through and it is recorded,” Ken laughed. When asked if flooding in the area will reach dire levels, Ken is certain in his response: “Haven’t got here yet, I do not think we are going to see what they reckon it is. We haven’t seen a flood here yet.” In 1956, the couple were on an island from June until Christmas eve. Six months isolated. The only way to get to town was by corrugated tin boat with no buoyancy, travelling more than five miles over fairly deep water. “The only buoyancy we had was a blown-up car tube. Had we had a spill nobody would have known where we were. The country is so flat, that when it floods and water gets amongst the trees, all you can see is trees and water. You don’t have high points,” June said. “The trip in was reasonably quick, there were no outboard motors, someone gave us one of those APCO propellor things, that used to heat up. We had to tip water on it to cool it down, and if that did not go, we would use the oars,” Ken said. “A few hours getting in town, and it took five hours to get home. That was because the boat would have a 44-gallon drum of petrol in it, and was loaded up with bread, mail and supplies for us and everyone else on the island.” “There was not much leeway between the top of the boat and the top of the water,” June laughed. “You could not buy a boat or a motor, and I was expecting a baby at the time. Four families out there, and two pregnant women. The other lady had to be taken in partway through her pregnancy to be sent to Melbourne. This was on the Nimmie-Caira floodplain.” The stark differences in weather and climate, and repercussions of these are not forgotten by the couple. “Not long after and then I was able to walk across the dry river bed of the Murrumbidgee, and did not get my boots wet. It will be again, after this flood. “The water will be bought, sold by the government, as soon as it is a dry time. It will be taken outside of the river,” Ken said. “I was on the Water Advisory in the 70s to the 90s. “A friend and another member had a plane, and we used to go up to meetings at Leeton and Griffith cap in hand, begging them to release a bit of water to fill the floodplain. We were paying for water and were not getting it. “We did not have licences back then; farmers on the floodplain were paying for water on an acreage basis. “Then the water was diminishing coming out of Maude weir, to such an extent something had to be done. “That was when the environment was altered in this dry area, so the water could be spread out over it, and used.” “It was successful; farmers spent a lot of money on it. They all worked together, for the benefit of everyone, which was a unique arrangement; all had a common interest,” June added. “Construction was there and the method of water delivery was agreed upon, it worked very well. The only thing that made it come to an end was that there was no water coming from above to supply it when it should have been.” “There was more water outside the river than was what was in it. These blokes were pumping it out, above storage dams were where the water was stored, so there was a lot of them being built up further north, along NSW, and along the flood plain too as storage. There was no metering of how much water could be taken, there were no proper rules regarding all of this. And I also think too that there should have not been privatisation of a lot of this water system, it is an essential for life.” They are unrelenting and emphatic on these issues. “There should be one Government Authority on that, and there should be no purchasing from overseas companies for the benefit of a stock exchange item, it should not be. “It is there for the use of the people within that country, not as a moneymaking thing for those overseas. “Murray Darling Basin, that is a joke! It has reached the stage they cannot remedy that in any way as it has been twisted around so much, and there has been so much money invested in the water by overseas interests. “As soon as water flows behind the catchments someone owns it and they assuredly are not Australian. These big corporates, Canadians, Americans, and yes Chinese and Japanese, whoever, they somehow own all our water, it is ours not theirs. And when it falls it is being held by catchments that have been put up by us. Taxpayers’ money. Wrong. Murray Darling Basin caters to and makes decisions for the big end of town. I can’t see what they can do to fix it now, other than to cancel all licenses, and start again. The job to be in, in that case, would be the legal profession.” They conclude the conversation with a cheeky and humorous aside that they will say nothing more, as at the end of the day I am a journalist with a recorder rolling. Delicious smells of lunch wafting in the background, I mournfully decline a lovely invitation as I am due at my next appointment, when all I would like to do is talk to them all day.